3/28/17, "A 2016 Review: Turnout Wasn’t the Driver of Clinton’s Defeat," NY Times, Nate Cohn
"In the aftermath of the 2016 presidential election, many analysts suggested that Hillary Clinton lost to Donald J. Trump because of poor Democratic turnout.
Months later, it is clear that the turnout was only modestly better for Mr. Trump than expected.
To
the extent Democratic turnout was weak, it was mainly among black
voters. Even there, the scale of Democratic weakness has been
exaggerated.
Instead,
it’s clear that large numbers of white, working-class voters shifted
from the Democrats to Mr. Trump. Over all, almost one in four of
President Obama’s 2012 white working-class supporters defected from the
Democrats in 2016, either supporting Mr. Trump or voting for a
third-party candidate.
This
analysis compares official voter files — data not available until
months after the election — with The Upshot’s pre-election turnout
projections in Florida, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. The turnout
patterns evident in these states are representative of broader trends
throughout the battleground states and nationwide.
The turnout was slightly and consistently more favorable for Mr. Trump across all three states. But the turnout edge was small; in one of the closest elections in American history, it might not have represented his margin of victory.
A More Favorable Electorate for Trump
In general, white and Hispanic voters roughly matched expectations of voter share or made up a slightly larger share of the electorate than expected, while black voters made up a smaller share....
The turnout was slightly and consistently more favorable for Mr. Trump across all three states. But the turnout edge was small; in one of the closest elections in American history, it might not have represented his margin of victory.
A More Favorable Electorate for Trump
In general, white and Hispanic voters roughly matched expectations of voter share or made up a slightly larger share of the electorate than expected, while black voters made up a smaller share....
This
was mainly a result of higher white and Hispanic turnout; black turnout
was roughly in line with our pre-election expectations. On average,
white and Hispanic turnout was 4 percent higher than we expected, while
black turnout was 1 percent lower than expected.
Whether
black turnout was “disappointing” or “poor” is a matter of perspective.
It was consistent with our pre-election models, but it was
significantly lower than it was four or eight years ago, when Mr. Obama
galvanized record black turnout.
Our pre-election estimates did not anticipate that black turnout would stay at such elevated levels, since African-Americans still had a weaker track record of voting in midterm and primary elections when President Obama was not on the ballot.
Our pre-election estimates did not anticipate that black turnout would stay at such elevated levels, since African-Americans still had a weaker track record of voting in midterm and primary elections when President Obama was not on the ballot.
Ultimately,
black turnout was roughly as we expected it. It looks as if black
turnout was weak mostly in comparison with the stronger turnout among
white and Hispanic voters.
This
was part of a broader national pattern. Mr. Trump’s turnout edge was
nonexistent or reversed in states with a large Hispanic population and a
small black population, like Arizona. His turnout advantage was largest
in states with a large black population and few Hispanic voters, like
North Carolina.
What was consistent across most states, however, was higher-than-expected white turnout.
The
increase in white turnout was broad, including among young voters,
Democrats, Republicans, unaffiliated voters, urban, rural, and the
likeliest supporters of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump. The greatest
increases were among young and unaffiliated white voters.
For this reason alone, it’s hard to argue that turnout was responsible for the preponderance of Mr. Trump’s gains among white voters. The turnout among young and white Democratic voters was quite strong.
For this reason alone, it’s hard to argue that turnout was responsible for the preponderance of Mr. Trump’s gains among white voters. The turnout among young and white Democratic voters was quite strong.
But
the turnout was generally stronger among the likeliest white Trump
supporters than among the likeliest white Clinton supporters.
Over
all, the turnout among white voters with a greater than 80 percent
chance of supporting Mr. Trump was 7 percent higher than expected, while
the turnout was 4 percent higher among white voters with greater than
an 80 percent chance of supporting Mrs. Clinton.
The
stronger Republican turnout among white voters narrowed the Democratic
registration edge below pre-election expectations in Florida,
Pennsylvania and North Carolina.
Only a Modest Effect
So
how much did turnout contribute to Mr. Trump’s victory? As the party
registration numbers and turnout figures by race imply, just a bit. But
Mr. Trump won the election by just a bit — by only 0.7 percentage points
in Pennsylvania, for example.
We
estimated the presidential vote of every registered voter, based on our
pre-election polls, voter file data and the results of every precinct.
With these individual-level estimates of vote choice, it’s easy to
assess how the election might have gone differently with a different
electorate.
These
estimates suggest that turnout improved Mr. Trump’s standing by a
modest margin compared with pre-election expectations. If the turnout
had gone exactly as we thought it would, the election would have been
extremely close. But by this measure, Mrs. Clinton still would have lost
both Florida and Pennsylvania — albeit very narrowly.
It’s
important to note that this is just one analysis, based on one set of
data. Over the coming months or years, other analysts may conclude that
the effect of turnout was larger or smaller than our estimates suggest.
Their conclusions could differ if, for instance, their pre-election
models showed a different electorate (say, they expected another big
2012-like turnout among black voters), or if their polling data shows
that the people who voted were more or less supportive of Mr. Trump
compared with those who stayed home.
Even so, it would surprise me if other analysts reach a fundamentally different conclusion, based on interviews with pollsters and data analysts from both parties. In such a high-turnout election, it’s difficult for the voting electorate to be vastly different than expected.
Even so, it would surprise me if other analysts reach a fundamentally different conclusion, based on interviews with pollsters and data analysts from both parties. In such a high-turnout election, it’s difficult for the voting electorate to be vastly different than expected.
For
comparison, consider just how much worse Mrs. Clinton would have done
with the 2014 electorate. Young, nonwhite and Democratic voters did not
turn out in large numbers that year, and Mrs. Clinton would have
probably lost Florida and Pennsylvania by a wide margin. Her losses
would have been smaller in North Carolina, perhaps because the state had
such a competitive Senate race in 2014.
Based
on these data, Democrats are right to blame many of their midterm
election losses on weak turnout. They’re on far shakier ground if they
complain about the turnout last November.
This doesn’t mean that Democrats can’t improve on turnout. If the turnout had been as good for Mrs. Clinton as it was for Mr. Trump, she would have won by our analysis. But even then, she would have only scratched by.
This doesn’t mean that Democrats can’t improve on turnout. If the turnout had been as good for Mrs. Clinton as it was for Mr. Trump, she would have won by our analysis. But even then, she would have only scratched by.
The Trump-Obama Vote
If turnout played only a modest role in Mr. Trump’s victory, then the big driver of his gains was persuasion: He flipped millions of white working-class Obama supporters to his side.
The voter file data makes it impossible to avoid this conclusion. It’s not just that the electorate looks far too Democratic. In many cases, turnout cannot explain Mrs. Clinton’s losses.
Take Schuylkill County, Pa., the county where Mr. Trump made his biggest gains in Pennsylvania. He won, 69 percent to 26 percent, compared with Mitt Romney’s 56-42 victory. Mrs. Clinton’s vote tally fell by 7,776 compared with Mr. Obama’s 2012 result, even though the overall turnout was up.
Did
8,000 of Mr. Obama’s supporters stay home? No. There were 5,995
registered voters who voted in 2012, remain registered in Schuylkill
County, and stayed home in 2016.
And
there’s no way these 2016 drop-off voters were all Obama supporters.
There were 2,680 registered Democrats, 2,629 registered Republicans and
686 who were unaffiliated or registered with a different party. This is a
place where registered Democrats often vote Republican in presidential
elections, so Mr. Obama’s standing among these voters was most likely
even lower."...
[Ed. note: Good grief. Big miss, NY Times analysis of Schuylkill County, Pa. fails to mention that: "Schuylkill County is located in the heart of the anthracite coal region of Pennsylvania."]
(continuing): "Were they mostly supporters of Bernie Sanders? Unlikely: He was popular among the young, but 67 percent of the 2016 drop-off voters were over age 45, and 35 percent were over age 65. Just 5 percent voted in the Democratic primary in 2016, and 7 percent voted in the Republican primary.
[Ed. note: Good grief. Big miss, NY Times analysis of Schuylkill County, Pa. fails to mention that: "Schuylkill County is located in the heart of the anthracite coal region of Pennsylvania."]
(continuing): "Were they mostly supporters of Bernie Sanders? Unlikely: He was popular among the young, but 67 percent of the 2016 drop-off voters were over age 45, and 35 percent were over age 65. Just 5 percent voted in the Democratic primary in 2016, and 7 percent voted in the Republican primary.
Is
it possible that the registered Democrats who turned out were Trump
supporters, and that the Democrats who stayed home were likelier to be
supporters of Mrs. Clinton? Perhaps, but our polling suggests the
opposite. In our pre-election Upshot/Siena polls, voters were likelier than nonvoters to support their party’s nominee.
Survey data, along with countless journalistic accounts, also suggest that voters switched in huge numbers.
Throughout the campaign, polls of registered voters — which are not subject to changes in turnout — showed Mrs. Clinton faring much worse than Mr. Obama among white working-class voters."...
[Ed. note: This being the case, why wasn't it urgently addressed and treated as big news during the campaigns? Hillary could've adjusted her campaign accordingly.]
(continuing): "The postelection survey data tells a similar story: Mrs. Clinton won Mr. Obama’s white-working class supporters by a margin of only 78 percent to 18 percent against Mr. Trump, according to the Cooperative Congressional Election Study.
In the Midwestern battleground states and Pennsylvania, Mrs. Clinton had an advantage of 76 percent to 20 percent among white working-class Obama voters.
Survey data, along with countless journalistic accounts, also suggest that voters switched in huge numbers.
Throughout the campaign, polls of registered voters — which are not subject to changes in turnout — showed Mrs. Clinton faring much worse than Mr. Obama among white working-class voters."...
[Ed. note: This being the case, why wasn't it urgently addressed and treated as big news during the campaigns? Hillary could've adjusted her campaign accordingly.]
(continuing): "The postelection survey data tells a similar story: Mrs. Clinton won Mr. Obama’s white-working class supporters by a margin of only 78 percent to 18 percent against Mr. Trump, according to the Cooperative Congressional Election Study.
In the Midwestern battleground states and Pennsylvania, Mrs. Clinton had an advantage of 76 percent to 20 percent among white working-class Obama voters.
The
survey data isn’t perfect. It relies on voters’ accurate recall of
their 2012 vote, and that type of recall is often biased toward the
winner. Indeed, the C.C.E.S. found that Mr. Obama had 54 percent of
support among 2012 voters, compared with his actual 51 percent finish.
But
the data all points in the same direction: Shifts in turnout were not
the dominant factor in Mr. Trump’s success among white working-class
voters." above maps from wikipedia, which states: Schuylkill County, Pa. "is located in the heart of the anthracite Coal Region of Eastern Pennsylvania."
Comment: NY Times does a detailed analysis above wondering why Schuylkill County, Pa. went so strongly for Trump. The Times fails to mention that "Schuylkill County is located in the heart of the anthracite coal region of Pennsylvania."
Comment: NY Times does a detailed analysis above wondering why Schuylkill County, Pa. went so strongly for Trump. The Times fails to mention that "Schuylkill County is located in the heart of the anthracite coal region of Pennsylvania."
NY Times, related:
"How the Obama Coalition Crumbled, Leaving an Opening for Trump,"
How Did Donald Trump Win Over So Many Obama Voters?" Nov. 14, 2016
"Putting the Polling Miss of the 2016 Election in Perspective," NY Times
It was the biggest polling miss in a presidential election in decades. Yet in many ways, it wasn't wholly out of the ordinary.
Over all, the national polls missed the result by only a few points: Hillary Clinton is on track to win the popular vote by around 1.5 percentage points, not especially far from her roughly four-point lead in an average of national polls.
But the state polls were a different story. They systematically underestimated Donald J. Trump's standing in the Upper Midwest and Northeast. His strength there was enough to make him the president.
Few saw it coming. Mrs. Clinton led in nearly every high-quality survey of Minnesota, Maine, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. It was her modest but consistent edge in those states and others that led analysts to project that she had an excellent chance at victory. This includes our poll-based forecast, which gave Mrs. Clinton an 85 percent chance to win, alongside those from other organizations, which put Mrs. Clinton's chances at between 71 percent at FiveThirtyEight and greater than 99 percent at the Princeton Election Consortium.
Her campaign, with its own polling, concluded the same thing. She barely even campaigned in Maine, Wisconsin or Minnesota, and visited Michigan only in the last week of the race.
Yet in the end, her polling lead proved illusory.
All of these states have something in common: They have a large number of white voters without a college degree. Mr. Trump also outperformed the polls in other mostly white and rural states, whether Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri or Indiana.
The states with a large number of white working-class voters tend to be somewhat less populous than the more diverse and well-educated states along the coasts. A result is that the state polling averages were off by more than usual, even though the national numbers weren’t far off.
State Polling Errors in 2016 Were the Largest in Decades"...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/13/upshot/putting-the-polling-miss-of-2016-in-perspective.html?action=click&contentCollection=The%20Upshot&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article
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Among Free Republic comments:
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"Donald Trump...had a brand independent of that of the Republican party."
"To: Angels27
I would summarize the results this way: Trump overperformed generic Republican, Hillary underperformed generic Democrat.
Unfortunately a lot of those in positions of power seem to be in denial of those facts. Then there are those who are uninterested in why. Hillary was a terrible candidate, and at least some senior Dems seem to be willing to ask how they can do better. Too many on the Republican side seem to be oblivious that Trump did better than generic Republican, and what the implications of that are. I am dubious that any other candidate in the primaries could have done better than Donald Trump, mostly because he had a brand independent of that of the Republican party.
Unfortunately a lot of those in positions of power seem to be in denial of those facts. Then there are those who are uninterested in why. Hillary was a terrible candidate, and at least some senior Dems seem to be willing to ask how they can do better. Too many on the Republican side seem to be oblivious that Trump did better than generic Republican, and what the implications of that are. I am dubious that any other candidate in the primaries could have done better than Donald Trump, mostly because he had a brand independent of that of the Republican party.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3540177/posts
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3/29/17, "Shift in White Working Class Voters, Not Turnout, Helped Lead Trump to Victory," 270ToWin.com
"The New York Times Upshot reports that nearly one in four white, working class voters who supported President Obama's reelection in 2012 abandoned the Democratic party in the 2016 presidential election, selecting either Donald Trump or a third-party candidate. It is this shift, not a major change in expected turnout, that propelled Mr. Trump to victory in the 2016 presidential election.
The Upshot reached this conclusion by reviewing actual voter files, comparing those to The Upshot's pre-election turnout projections in Florida, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. The turnout patterns in these three states are representative of broader trends throughout the nation, according to the analysis."
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